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Comments on: Why people tag http://www.infospaces.it/wordpress/topics/information-architecture/93 User Centred World -- Ia, Usability and Accessibility Wed, 09 Jul 2008 12:34:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5 by: Marius Popescu http://www.infospaces.it/wordpress/topics/information-architecture/93#comment-307 Wed, 03 May 2006 19:04:44 +0200 http://www.infospaces.it/wordpress/topics/information-architecture/93#comment-307 Hi, First I would like to show you my appreciation for the quality of the posts, I am really following them and appreciating the links. For this post I want to say that I am a delicious user and they do have something that goes toward tags aggregation of a loose hiarearchic system. They are called "bundles" and they allow you to group a couple of tags under the same umbrella. (you can see them used under my account del.iciou.us/mapopescu). Maybe they build from the buttom up a loose hierarchy by using these bundles. I didn't studied their new "network" feature but it seems to me they are heading to aggregate tags into something. Best regards Hi,

First I would like to show you my appreciation for the quality of the posts, I am really following them and appreciating the links.

For this post I want to say that I am a delicious user and they do have something that goes toward tags aggregation of a loose hiarearchic system.

They are called “bundles” and they allow you to group a couple of tags under the same umbrella. (you can see them used under my account del.iciou.us/mapopescu).

Maybe they build from the buttom up a loose hierarchy by using these bundles. I didn’t studied their new “network” feature but it seems to me they are heading to aggregate tags into something.

Best regards

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by: Emanuele http://www.infospaces.it/wordpress/topics/information-architecture/93#comment-308 Wed, 03 May 2006 19:47:07 +0200 http://www.infospaces.it/wordpress/topics/information-architecture/93#comment-308 Hi Marius, Thank you for your comment. I'm a delicious user too (to be sincere I'm using more and more Rawsugar lately) and I'm using bundles (or clusters as other systems call them). Every tagging service today is providing some form of clustering, but clusters are really different from hierarchies. The broader/narrower terms relationship is different from the associative one and while there a lot of studies (I've posted on them) about the automatic hierarchization of clusters, I'm deeply convinced that nothing can replace the semantical value that users can give. Agglomerative clustering, wordnet baset hierarchization, similarity graphs based hierarchization are wonderful directions that anyway are not providing good enough results. Anyway the most important point here is that you need a hierarchy, not only (but maybe also) bundles (or related tags). Cheers, Emanuele Hi Marius,
Thank you for your comment.

I’m a delicious user too (to be sincere I’m using more and more Rawsugar lately) and I’m using bundles (or clusters as other systems call them).

Every tagging service today is providing some form of clustering, but clusters are really different from hierarchies.

The broader/narrower terms relationship is different from the associative one and while there a lot of studies (I’ve posted on them) about the automatic hierarchization of clusters, I’m deeply convinced that nothing can replace the semantical value that users can give.

Agglomerative clustering, wordnet baset hierarchization, similarity graphs based hierarchization are wonderful directions that anyway are not providing good enough results.

Anyway the most important point here is that you need a hierarchy, not only (but maybe also) bundles (or related tags).

Cheers,
Emanuele

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by: Marius Popescu http://www.infospaces.it/wordpress/topics/information-architecture/93#comment-331 Mon, 08 May 2006 09:24:11 +0200 http://www.infospaces.it/wordpress/topics/information-architecture/93#comment-331 Emanuele, Thank you for your response. Your latest Etsy example (Facets are easy and love tagging) and this post made me understand better what you are saying. I guess trying for himself is another way to see better so I'll try to add facets in a webshop we have in work. For now, it had only "standard" categories. But after a year or so of use, the client is proposing to add certain "axes" transversal to those standard categories, axes related to the client's domain. Can you explain more about what you calle din your latest post "Ranganathan PMEST super categories"? Or provide some links to existing works... Anyway, thank you for your time, Marius Emanuele,

Thank you for your response. Your latest Etsy example (Facets are easy and love tagging) and this post made me understand better what you are saying.

I guess trying for himself is another way to see better so I’ll try to add facets in a webshop we have in work.

For now, it had only “standard” categories. But after a year or so of use, the client is proposing to add certain “axes” transversal to those standard categories, axes related to the client’s domain.

Can you explain more about what you calle din your latest post “Ranganathan PMEST super categories”? Or provide some links to existing works…

Anyway, thank you for your time,
Marius

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by: Emanuele http://www.infospaces.it/wordpress/topics/information-architecture/93#comment-332 Mon, 08 May 2006 10:16:53 +0200 http://www.infospaces.it/wordpress/topics/information-architecture/93#comment-332 Ranganathan was an indian librarian that in the first part of this century revolutioned the way people classified books. His approach was based on the idea of describing a subject through his aspects that he called facets. Facets were somewhat like cartesian coordinates in a multidimensional space and combining in an arbitrary order different coordinates the user can restrict the result space arriving to identify single items. These facets, Ranganathan thought, could be generally grouped in a few super categories that were: P personality M matter E energy S space T time For each category, a specific faceted classification can identify one or more actual facets. Super categories can be used as a guideline to develop faceted models. More on this: http://www.kmconnection.com/DOC100100.htm http://www.miskatonic.org/library/facet-web-howto.html http://www.miskatonic.org/library/facet-biblio.html http://www.poorbuthappy.com/fcd/ Ranganathan was an indian librarian that in the first part of this century revolutioned the way people classified books.

His approach was based on the idea of describing a subject through his aspects that he called facets. Facets were somewhat like cartesian coordinates in a multidimensional space and combining in an arbitrary order different coordinates the user can restrict the result space arriving to identify single items.

These facets, Ranganathan thought, could be generally grouped in a few super categories that were:

P personality
M matter
E energy
S space
T time

For each category, a specific faceted classification can identify one or more actual facets. Super categories can be used as a guideline to develop faceted models.

More on this:
http://www.kmconnection.com/DOC100100.htm
http://www.miskatonic.org/library/facet-web-howto.html
http://www.miskatonic.org/library/facet-biblio.html
http://www.poorbuthappy.com/fcd/

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by: Wesley Hein's Web 2.0 http://www.infospaces.it/wordpress/topics/information-architecture/93#comment-2213 Wed, 26 Jul 2006 04:09:02 +0200 http://www.infospaces.it/wordpress/topics/information-architecture/93#comment-2213 <strong>Tagging 2.0: Would a &#8216;rose&#8217; tagged by any other name smell as sweet?</strong> A Survey of Tagging Trends to Answer the Question &quot;What&#39;s all of the fuss about?&quot; When one digs (or is it diggs?) into tagging, what started out as a really simple way to identify resources quickly gets complicated (anyone up for &quot;d... Tagging 2.0: Would a ‘rose’ tagged by any other name smell as sweet?

A Survey of Tagging Trends to Answer the Question "What's all of the fuss about?"
When one digs (or is it diggs?) into tagging, what started out as a really simple way to identify resources quickly gets complicated (anyone up for "d…

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by: dajauna http://www.infospaces.it/wordpress/topics/information-architecture/93#comment-29730 Mon, 21 May 2007 21:07:21 +0200 http://www.infospaces.it/wordpress/topics/information-architecture/93#comment-29730 Have u ever wondered why do ppl tag ? I think I might know why, PPl tag because they want to be cool,or probably want others to know where they are from and who did the tagging........ Have u ever wondered why do ppl tag ? I think I might know why, PPl tag because they want to be cool,or probably want others to know where they are from and who did the tagging……..

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